HTML lists

I hate HTML lists.  By default, ordered (ol) and unordered (ul) lists automatically contain a margin at the top, at the bottom, and to the left of the list.  This might not seem like a big deal.  But go ahead, try to change it.  It's nearly impossible.  Of course anything can be done by using CSS, but for some reason, lists are especially difficult.  And for whatever reason, they never seem to work for me.  So my solution is to use some simple ASCII:  "•" which produces a bullet (•).  This has solved my problems with lists.  Nya! [[technology]]